6:56 pm
Fred Thompson vs. Teh Sexy
Posted by Garance ()Last Friday at a dinner party the conversation turned to Fred Thompson, and whether or not he is actually sexy. The guests were primarily political reporters, including one who’d just come back from following Thompson on the campaign trail, where, the reporter insisted, older women seemed to really dig the 65-year-old actor and former Senator.
For months I’ve been hearing from The Pundits That Be about how masculine Thompson supposedly is. Chris Matthews has plumbed this topic in some detail:
Does [Fred Thompson] have sex appeal? … Gene, do you think there’s a sex appeal for this guy, this sort of mature, older man, you know? … Can you smell the English leather on this guy, the Aqua Velva, the sort of mature man’s shaving cream, or whatever, you know, after he shaved? Do you smell that sort of — a little bit of cigar smoke? You know, whatever.
But the idea that Thompson is some kind of swoon-inducing example of mature masculinity strikes me as a classic example of how straight men are completely unable to assess each other’s visual appeal.
Straight women, on the other hand, are very acute judges of masculine appeal (even if we still date schlubs for other reasons), and there’s been a quiet rebellion brewing among the female political columnists against the idea that Thompson looks like anything other than how he actually looks, which is like a rather run-down older man. (See Michelle Cottle here and Gail Collins here.)
At best, Thompson is what we women refer to as tall. (I’ll give him that.) But possessing greater than average verticality is a very different thing from being sexy, even as it can be a contributing factor. I think there’s got to be some kind of objective standards brought into play here. “Sexy for Iowa politics” or “sexy for a 65-year-old man” just are not the same thing as “sexy.”
So here are a couple of examples, which I hope should clarify the apparently confusing case of Masculine American Archetypes v. Thompson.
Rugged (L), Thompson (R):
Virile (L), Thompson (R):
Any questions?
P.S. English Leather and Aqua Velva are both disgusting after-shave fragrances, cheap relics from a different era of fragrance-making, really, and I wouldn’t put it past Matthews to have been subtly insulting Thompson in the guise of talking him up by mentioning those two brands. They’re the sort of thing worn in the contemporary world only by men who don’t know better, and teenagers who’ve just started shaving and are looking to impress girls.
P.P.S. Apparently Belle Waring of Crooked Timber was an early resister of the theory of sexy-Fred.




September 19th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
I am surprised that older women like Thompson. After all, he didn’t marry a woman his age, but rather one 25 years younger than himself.
Regarding how he looks run-down, I suppose that’s to be expected given that he has cancer.
September 19th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
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September 19th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Erm, I don’t think there’s an inconsistency in the Thompson beat reporter noting that older women find Thompson kind of groovy and under-40 women not getting what the big deal is.
September 19th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Garance, I think you are giving Matthews too much credit when you say he is subtly insulting Thompson. Tweety is well known for his various man-crushes on Republican politicians.
September 20th, 2007 at 12:41 am
This is the funniest post I’ve read on Thompson … heck … on a blog, period, in months. Thank you, Garance. The photos alone are worth a visit.
Do men wear fragrances anymore? I’m a dad of a nearly four-year-old girl who bikes to work and plays Go for fun, so I realize I’m not exactly in the mainstream of sexy American males — but are cologne and aftershave de rigeur for the sexy set in DC and / or NYC?
September 20th, 2007 at 1:55 am
As someone who roughly falls into and knows many people in the “teenagers who’ve just started shaving and are looking to impress girls.” category, I can say that aqua velva and English leather are unheard of in my set. As is aftershave in general. I’m with Jeff, the stuff just smells kinda weird.
September 20th, 2007 at 7:34 am
English Leather and Aqua Velva are both disgusting after-shave fragrances, cheap relics from a different era of fragrance-making
I thought Matthews fumbled this one by not mentioning Old Spice which I always regarded as the quintessential “old man’s aftershave.”
September 20th, 2007 at 7:47 am
Sports equivalence:
“Sexy for Iowa politics” = “Fast for a catcher”
September 20th, 2007 at 8:16 am
To set the record straight: the legitimate reason for wearing Aqua Velva is that it actually does wonders to prevent razor burn. Not sure whether it’s the massive alcohol content, the presence of toxic levels of menthol, or maybe just the blue coloring— but it really heals you. The smell only lasts an hour or two.
So the next time you run into some poor schlub using the stuff, think of the horrible suffering you’ll induce by convincing him to switch to some pure alcohol alternative.
September 20th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Um…so, I should stop using Aqua Velva?
I swear, if I didn’t read blogs, I would never find out these things…
September 20th, 2007 at 8:54 am
Clearly, Thompson should be soaking his body in Axe.
September 20th, 2007 at 8:57 am
I am surprised that older women like Thompson. After all, he didn’t marry a woman his age, but rather one 25 years younger than himself.
Actually Frederick of Hollywood DID marry a woman his age (actually she was a year older than he was). She filed for divorce in 1985 claiming “cruel and inhuman treatment” (I’m guessing he forced her to watch his acting performance in Die Hard 2).
September 20th, 2007 at 8:58 am
Yep, I’d like to see Thompson soaked in Axe, shooting Red Bulls, and dancing till dawn while sucking a lollipop all night….
September 20th, 2007 at 9:10 am
As your readership is apparently largely, if not entirely, male, Garance, if your comment threads are any indication, you could perform a valuable service by indicating which colognes or after-shaves, if any, you approve of.
September 20th, 2007 at 9:22 am
preach it, sister. I wrote about the phenomenon here, and the upshot was, “doesn’t Fred Thompson pretty much look like a basset hound who’s just taken a really satisfying shit in your hall closet?”
I can’t speak for Garance, but I quite like men to wear (modest amounts of good-smelling) cologne. bay rum? 4711? something with lots of vetiver? Chanel Egoiste? even some Drakkar Noir, if you’re feeling it.
September 20th, 2007 at 9:26 am
I’m a dad of a nearly four-year-old girl who bikes to work and plays Go for fun
That’s a very impressive 4-year-old you have there, but don’t child labor laws prevent kids that age from working?
September 20th, 2007 at 9:26 am
Cmon guys, we don’t need any advice on the best cologne. What about Sex Panther? That stuff works miracles…
September 20th, 2007 at 9:28 am
I thinkg TBogg might be the best qualified person to answer that question.
September 20th, 2007 at 9:37 am
Your must-read sentence for today…
Garance Franke-Ruta, “Fred Thompson vs. Teh Sexy”: [T]he idea that Thompson is some kind of swoon-inducing example of mature masculinity strikes me as a classic example of how straight men are completely unable to assess each others visual appeal.Be…
September 20th, 2007 at 9:46 am
I’d normally be the last person to defend Fred Thompson, but TheGarance, let’s see how you look at 65.
How about critiquing the guy not on his looks, but on his policies. Wouldn’t that be the rational, feminist approach?
(Sorry for writing “rational” and “feminist” right next to each other…)
Yours was just another stupid sexist lookist post, just written by a woman instead of a man.
September 20th, 2007 at 9:49 am
rea said: “That’s a very impressive 4-year-old you have there, but don’t child labor laws prevent kids that age from working?”
Yeah, she’s pretty impressive. She keeps asking for the keys to the car, especially when it rains, but I keep telling her she’s not old enough.
And, sure, I know the law, but I figure, by the time authorities figure out she’s biking to the cannery and not to pre-school, the Republicans will have taken care of the problem, along with all the other draconian laws that hamper the ability of American businesses to compete with the low price of foreign labor.
September 20th, 2007 at 9:51 am
I’d like to say on behalf of the gays that Thompson is not sexy in any universe that we’re aware of. What’s funny to us is that he gets the “sexy” buzz while he’s in the same field with Mitt Romney, who — political considerations aside, of course — is an honest-to-goodness hot daddy.
September 20th, 2007 at 10:17 am
I’d normally be the last person to defend Fred Thompson, but TheGarance, let’s see how you look at 65.
Now, let’s not be snarky.
Besides, many hot women age quite well, and it’s quite likely that our blog hostess will be one of them.
September 20th, 2007 at 10:22 am
Sure, sure. I hear it works pretty well most of the time.
My recommendation for teenagers is Halston Z-14. I got a bottle of it for my 16th birthday and the thing was friggin’ magical; it never seemed to run out,lasting until my senior year in college. I suppose magically attracting women would have be better, but dating/making out with girls only gets in the way of studying and sitting alone in your room.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:08 am
“How about critiquing the guy not on his looks, but on his policies.”
That’s a laugh. Huckleberry hasn’t outlined a single, solitary policy so far. Other than “America is good,” of course.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Let me add the gay vote to the straight woman vote and say that Fred Thompson is not sexy or even attractive in any universe I’ve ever visited. He’s tired and droopy and overweight and just overall yuck. And Pat: Mitt Romney is not an “honest to goodness hot daddy” (hot daddy? wha?} he is an honest to goodness used car salesman who might appeal to a woman who never left the house. He’s attractive like Robert Goulet is attractive: i.e., he’s not attractive.
September 20th, 2007 at 11:39 am
Fred Thompson sexy? Eeeew. The sexiest man in the presidential race is, of course, Barak Obama. Mmmm…mmm. I wouldn’t kick him out of bed for eating crackers. No way.
So why are we talking about whether Fred Thompson is sexy? Because the pundit class, for some reason, has decided that he has sex appeal, and that women are going to vote for him because of it. ‘Cause, you know, we’re all irrational hormone machines with no brains (talk about projection). And because he has no platform to speak of, so what else is there to discuss?
Oh, and how awesome is Samantha Bee, anyway?
September 20th, 2007 at 11:51 am
As an over 40 straight male, I hope women find Thompson sexy. If they do, there’s still hope for me..
September 20th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
‘Most people’ know that Thompson’s a turkey, and if he keeps wearing open-collar shirts they will know he’s a turkey-neck as well.
But that face/scalp…. surely one jests!
What Thompson does have, and probably is the factor that sets Mathews and ‘mature’ women into cardiac speedup is a great voice. In the radio-only age, he’d be a shoo-in. In the visual media age, he’s the character actor of choice for the bedridden guy destined to die real soon now.
And the odor some detect: not-so-fresh diapers.
September 20th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
I don’t think there’s any confusion among men who aren’t just talking out their ass. My dad just turned 58. If he looks as old and pathetic as Thompson in 7 more years, I’ll be shocked. People age differently. A lot of it depends on lifestyle. Thompson looks like he could be 75 to me. I’ve heard he’s had cancer. Not to be mean, but cancer is not sexy. Or maybe he’s just paying a physical price for his lifestyle.
September 20th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Matt Zeitlin - I recommend picking up a bottle of Hai Karate on eBay. It makes you smell like a Bruce Lee movie.
September 20th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
They still make Hai Karate? That stuff was around when I was in my early teens, forty years ago.
I would submit that Fred Thompson was Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos‘ separated-at-birth twin. And I can’t recall anyone describing Angelos as even moderately attractive.
September 20th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Send him back to Yoknapatawpha County !
September 20th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
As a straight male over 40 I have to say if Thompson is sexy than I am giving up the gym and will instead repeately bang my face against the wall for exercise.
Chris Matthews is a closet case with bad taste in men.
September 20th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I remember my two granddads at age 65. They pretty much smelled like they sponge-bathed in Vitalis and Mennen aftershave, and then (as one admitted) sprinkled “the ol’ stick and stones” with baby powder or cornstarch.
Oh, and by the way, my 48 yr. old wife still prefers the smell of Halston Z-14 on this 51 yr old boy!
September 20th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
Garance has forgotten Henry Kissinger’s maxim:
Power is the ultimate aphrodesiac.
September 20th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
Thompson has gotten laid a lot.
September 20th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Speaking as a gay man, Thompson looks like a corpse. He looks like those people in movies where the dead come back to life and start eating other people’s brains. I keep expecting him to take a bite out of someone’s head. (please! Let it be Mitt Romney!)
September 20th, 2007 at 4:25 pm
The secret of his sex appeal: his face looks like other men’s nut sacks.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Fred Thompson as sexy???? Step away from the crack pipe, please.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
Alien Love…
Sexy, sexy Fred Thompson.
See also Garance, Michelle Cottle, and Gail Collins. And of course all-time classic Belle Waring:…
September 20th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
I’m glad at least the female reporters are noticing this. Among the women I know — and we’re all pretty close to Thompson’s age — the concensus is that the man looks so old, frail and sickly that a pregnant woman would feel absolutely obligated to give up her seat to him on a bus.
September 20th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
There’s another, darker side to the Kissinger maxim, and it’s from Sylvia Plath:
Every woman adores a Fascist,
The boot in the face, the brute
Brute heart of a brute like you.
In which case it’ll be a Giuliani landslide.
What I’m wondering is, why would any self respecting woman take as a point of departure for dinner table ruminations on what makes a man sexy anything Chris Matthews might opine?!? The remark says more about Chris Matthews’ masculinity, taste and judgement than about anything else.
September 20th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
Cologne? I always found a revolver under the chin made me as sexy as needed for an ancient fossil, speaking as one LA legend to another.
Oops, that was tasteless, but it’ll go over like gangbusters at the NRA convention. Run, Fred, run. Run run run runaway…….
September 20th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Please don’t trash all straight men and their understanding of male sexiness. Freddie boy is an old man, plain and simple. He’s not attractive in anyway, period. And yes, I am a straight, white male, 46 years old and know what sexy is, male or female.
What is really happening here is that people equate being an actor on TV with being sexy because he has money and fame. Personally, I don’t see the connection but that’s just me.
September 20th, 2007 at 9:43 pm
In addition to health and virility, the female sex drive is attracted to status and friendliness. Thompson may have a measure of status but he doesn’t seem to exude friendliness.
September 21st, 2007 at 11:27 am
as a woman of a “certain age” i can say that there is nothing sexy about fred thompson, but then, i don’t go for the folksy, basset hound look… and i think commenting on the “sexiness” (or lack thereof) of the male candidates should stop — immediately after the press stops commenting on the clothes, hair, makeup, possible face lifts, and/or “femininity” of any of the female candidates — and/or the wives of the male candidates.
September 21st, 2007 at 1:57 pm
After watching Susan Sarandon on the Colbert Report a couple of nights ago, I think the Dems’ slogan should be: “Our progressive politics makes you age better!”