6:13 pm
Is Solicitation a Crime in Minnesota?
Posted by Garance ()A lot of people are asking, “Is solicitation a crime?” That is: Was there anything criminal about Sen. Larry Craig’s gestures if they suggested a desire for consensual lewd behavior of some kind with the man in the adjacent restroom stall?
The answer, as far as I can discern, is a clear no. (See University of Minnesota Law Professor and Independent Gay Forum contributor Dale Carpenter for more. And also, surprisingly, Captain’s Quarters.) It is not a misdemeanor in Minnesota to ask a person to have sex with you, whether by gesture or voice, and even if the person finds the request unwanted. Think about it: If it were, the women of that state would have a field day with creeps at bars and cat-callers on the street.
Solicitation of children to engage in sexual conduct is a crime (as it should be), as is solicitation of prostitution. But, again, I can find nothing in Minnesota state law that makes asking someone to hook up with you a crime, rather than a civil tort (as in sexual harassment law) regardless of the circumstances.
Why, then, do police continue to act as though it is? Because of the long and only-recently ended practice of firm legal discrimination against gay people. Until 2001, consensual sodomy was a crime in Minnesota, meaning that it was only six years ago that gay people in that state stopped being treated by the letter of the law as, quite literally, outlaws and criminals.
Meanwhile, in Idaho, the state Sen. Larry Craig has represented in Congress since 1981, consensual sodomy was a felony punishable as a “crime against nature” by five years to life in prison until 2003, when the Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v. Texas that a similar statute in Texas was unconstitutional, thus striking down the state’s law. From 1996 until then, the state sex offender registry was written so as to add those convincted of even consensual sodomy to the sex offender rolls for life.
Until the sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court, solicitation of sodomy was a crime in many of the states that had sodomy laws, and it was this “solicitation for sodomy” provision that allowed men who sought sex from other men to be targeted for arrest by police in, for example, public restrooms, under circumstances where there was no money or coercion involved. (More on which in a minute.)


August 28th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
What about sex in a public place? I think he was arrested for lewd conduct and eventually convicted for disorderly conduct. I agree that asking for sex in the way that he did can’t possibly be a crime in and of itself. I would just ask what the legality is under the actual statute.
August 28th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Exactly as dday says: the setting and the context is key here. The cop is working undercover in a public place because some gay men use airport bathrooms and other public spaces to hook up on the spot. Is there discrimination at work here? Sure, I’d agree. But at the same time, if the cop really wanted to make the senator’s life miserable, he apparently could have taken the encounter to the next level. The sodomy laws are a shameful legacy, but I don’t think that they’re the only legal consideration here.
August 28th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Points of Order:
1. If he were looking for sex, what did he see in between the crack of the stall that led him to tap his foot.
2. Since when is tapping your foot illegal. Yes we all know (now) that it is presumably a sign that one wants sex, but does that make it illegal? Repeat this question for each of the acts stated in the report.
August 28th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
I wouldn’t for a moment defend the legacy of law enforcement harassment of gays, and solicitation of sex should not generally be a crime. But there’s a reasonable argument for an exception in the specific case of a public restroom. It’s a rather public place where we must conduct rather private activities, and we are somewhat, um, exposed. I don’t mind a gay guy propositioning me in a coffee bar (happened once). I do mind being propositioned while I’m standing in front of a urinal.
As I said in another thread, for a first offense I’d let them go with just a warning. But I do think it’s reasonable for the cops to be acting to discourage this behavior, in this particular venue.
August 28th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
A request of gays everywhere: Please make your cocksucking and assfucking arrangements like the breeders - via the Casual Encounters section on Craigslist. Let the public restrooms continue to reek of pee and poo, not cum. Thank you.
August 28th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Are we mixing issues here. The guy was arrested for moving his foot (and hand) in such a way as to suggest he wanted sex. While I have no doubt that is what he wanted, I find it hard to believe anything he did is illegal.
August 28th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
A request of gays everywhere: Please make your c***sucking and assf***ing arrangements like the breeders - via the Casual Encounters section on Craigslist.
I rather doubt that many breeders typically engage in the latter of these two activities. Except, maybe, in Athens, Istanbul, etc.
August 28th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
[…] But here’s the thing: The woman he’s chatting with is an adult, but she says on the chat line that she’s 14. So the man gets arrested for what? I’m not sure what the charge is, but I think it’s the attempt to have sex with a minor. […]
August 28th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Peter: I haven’t a clue how typical this dude is, let’s just say there are hetero assfuckers. [Warning: Language and pictures at link NSFW, but not too tasteless.]
August 28th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Did Craig Fall On His Sword for the GOP? The Timing of the Revelation Is Suspicious…
CRAIG SHUDDA SWITCHED PARTIESHave
you noticed how the wind has been sucked out of the news? The only
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August 29th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Since when is tapping your foot illegal. Yes we all know (now) that it is presumably a sign that one wants sex, but does that make it illegal?
The revelations of this story to me are incredible: a) I never knew airport bathrooms were gay sex pick-up hotspots, b) that there’s a foot-tapping secret password, c) that people use craigslist for sex hookups!
I live in such a bubble and frankly after this story…I really want to stay in it. *shivers*
August 29th, 2007 at 9:43 am
Ah yes, this whole thing brought up a few memories over the years of certain types of guys that you sometimes run into at YMCAs and health clubs, places that are supposed to be family oriented. I’m thinking of the strange guy you sometimes see who never seems to work out. He just sits next to his locker all evening, watching other guys come and go. (I remember this jerk from the Stamford YMCA in Connecticut). And then there was some guy at an upscale Vero Beach (FL) health club that seemed to spend hours on end in the shower. You try to ignore these jerks as best you can. Sometimes they proposition the wrong guy, and they get punched out. Because of politically correctness — and legal nitpicking — there’s not a lot you can do. Just talk to the mangers of any health club or YMCA who have encountered these jerks; they’re hamstrung amd unable to do anything.
August 29th, 2007 at 9:50 am
And yet he pleaded guilty.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:43 am
He only pleaded guilty to seeming to be gay.
August 29th, 2007 at 10:44 am
[…] EDIT: LGM had more on this: GFR has more details, concluding that under Minnesota law that signaling someone in a public place that you’d be interested in engaging in consensual lewdness is not, in fact, illegal. (To be clear, nobody is denying that if he was actually engaging in sexual relations in a public place the state could legitimately intervene, but as far as I can tell nobody’s claiming that he did that.) […]
August 29th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
[…] UPDATE Captain’s Quarters The Garance […]
August 29th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
[…] This post (hailed by Matthew Yglesias) totally misses the mark on the Larry Craig case, arguing that it’s not illegal to solicit sex. Craig is being prosecuted out of homophobia. […]
August 29th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
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August 30th, 2007 at 7:30 am
A Public Bathroom Is Not A Gay Pick-Up Bar…
Amazingly, Larry Craig’s arrest has prompted more than a few people to come out and imply or outright say that you should be able to legally use public bathrooms like a gay pick-up bar. For example, here’s Garance Franke-Ruta A……
August 30th, 2007 at 8:41 am
If under Minnesota law sexual contact in a public place is a criminal act, then the Senator’s behavior was a solicitation to commit a crime, which is a so-called inchoate offense, like attempt. And it was more than foot-tapping — N.Y Times reported that the arrest report contained the allegation that the Senator “guided his hand along the edge of the stall divider toward the door three times,” i.e. pantomiming masturbation.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:47 pm
What we have here is a gay Senator hiding in the GOP closet. Unfortunately for him, he got caught in the midst of his shenanigans. I mean if he got caught this one time how many other times did he do it and not get caught? Kinda like driving drunk, everybody does it but it’s only a crime if you get snagged! However, being gay isn’t a crime but it does have political ramifications for an old boy like Craig. He misplayed it in that he tried to sweep it under the rug quickly and quietly. What he should have done was get a high powered and expensive lawyer and have him challenge the charges. A judge would have thrown it out because as far as I can tell from the transcripts nothing is conclusive. Do I think he solicited sex, yup! But that’s just my sense telling me nothing in the transcripts proves a thing. Anyway, if he did anything illegal the burden of proof is on the police. And quite honestly are the airforce police really gonna pursue a charge of lewd conduct or whatever it was they accused him of in court? No, they can’t afford to have an office go to court to and try to convict some dude of soliciting for sex. They need to keep them at the airport to protect us from all the terrorists, right?
August 31st, 2007 at 5:49 pm
I meant airport police, my bad.
August 31st, 2007 at 5:52 pm
My point being he never did anything illegal. However he admitted guilt to a lesser charge and that’s where he went wrong. In admitting guilt he admitted to being gay. Turn out the lights, the party’s over for this GOP closet case. Never ever admit guilt, and more importantly don’t try to match wits with a cop. It’s their job to catch you. Why the hell would one engage someone when you only stand to lose?
August 31st, 2007 at 6:32 pm
HE is gay. I believe he was trying to pickup this undercover cop. I know that these kind of acts do occur in public bathrooms. I know someone that participates in this kind of action. DISGUSTING!
September 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Okay, so YOU find it disgusting. I assume that many others do to. So what? This is a free country, supposedly. I find the practice of any of the Abrahamic religions, including their off-shoots, as disgusting. That does not allow me to disrupt Sunday morning services in the RC church on the next block but three.
So he is gay? So what? If you believe in god then you must believe that god made him like he is and that you have nothing to beef about.
What IS very objectionable is the little fact that Larry was so set on penalizing anyone who didn’t adhere to the strict “moral code” he espoused.
In short - he is a hypocrite. That is why he should be rejected. Not for being gay, not for indicating a willingness to engage in certain sexual practices. Not for any other reason than his hypocrisy.
September 10th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Staight guys occasionally get “the look” from gay guys. It is very clear what it’s about. You just look away. Is that also a criminal offence?
October 17th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
If it is not a crime to solicit sex in public then by what authority did the Minneapolis dick act when he arrested Larry Craig? Weren’t Larry Craig’s civil rights violated? And doesn’t Larry Craig have grounds to file a civil rights lawsuit for an improper arrest since their was no crime committed under MN statute? Minneapolis is still secretly run by the KKK, which has quite a history in MN.